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long ENA on USDH proposal, seems to be the only real competition to PAXOS based on current proposals

Ponyo
Super interesting interview I just went over with Ethena founder @gdog97_ hosted by Bidcast on potential Hyperliquid x Ethena integrations.
Guy Young sees a big opportunity in using Hyperliquid’s HIP-3, which lets builders launch new markets with different stablecoin pairs or entirely new assets.
For Ethena, that could mean redenominating Hyperliquid’s markets into USDe instead of USDC pairing perps trading with a yield bearing dollar in one venue.
HIP-3 shares 50% of market fees with the deployer. If USDe captured just ~25% of Hyperliquid’s trading flow, at a 50% take rate this could bring in $110~$120M in cost-free annual revenue!
Ethena wouldn’t build an in-house exchange. Instead, external teams could spin up a HIP-3 frontend using USDe as collateral. Why would builders do this?
- USDC is dead collateral, USDe is yield-bearing. Holding margin in USDe earns the embedded Ethena funding rate (10~12% in current conditions).
- Hyperliquid handles the backend. Setup is minimal, and the deployer can choose how to split their fee share with partners like Ethena.
- Ethena has one of the largest active defi LP/trader user bases. Its endorsement can bring massive liquidity quickly.
For perps markets, this is a huge carrot for LPs:
- Market making spread & funding from trading activity.
- Passive yield from holding USDe as collateral.
Other Hyperliquid related ideas from the discussion:
- Launch a tokenized product isolating Hyperliquid risk/return (like sUSDe, but backed solely by Hyperliquid positions). Hyperliquid funding rates have historically been 250–300 bps above the broader market.
- Ethena has already secured the HUSD ticker for potential use
- Could be EVM compatible and integrated into Ethena’s systems, but kept separate from USDe to give users risk choice.
This would be a massive win-win for both teams, with insane synergy potential.
HYENA.


"No permissioned network has ever successfully transitioned to being permissionless "
Totally agree.
It's actually impossible for @tempo to be neutral and permissionless.
Every action on the chain will affect stripe's biz, and they surely do not want any involvement from competitor like mastercard to "tap" into their hard built eco.
You know what can stop that?
Centralised power

Omid Malekan 🧙🏽♂️
With all due respect to Matt, the notion that Tempo will in any way be neutral is a fantasy.
First, the very fact the he is billed as the "project lead" while sitting on the board of Stripe, a corporation who is clearly central to this effort, and being a GP at a VC firm that will likely be heavily invested in it, is a problem. That screams "not neutral."
(counterintuitively, the better Matt is at being project lead, the less neutral the chain will be).
Second, he is conflating the chain being permissionless with it being public. Public means "anyone can transact or issue on it" and permissionless means anyone can be a validator. As stated by Matt, Tempo will start as a permissioned chain.
A permissioned chain will never be public.
To wit: will North Korea be able to freely issue tokens on Tempo? What if Do Kwon decides to launch an algorithmic stablecoin on there from jail? And then Putin says "we will route payments for our sanctioned oil being sold on the black market via stablecoins on Tempo"?
Will the permissioned, known, and regulated corporations who run the validators be OK with all of this? Will the general council of Visa declare "Yes: we are clearly violating many US Federal laws and risk losing or licenses and possibly going to jail, but the docs said Tempo is a public blockchain, so we will process all of these transactions?"
I don't think so. As I argued yesterday, permissioned networks do not provide validators the plausible deniability required for a chain to be neutral:
Third, no permissioned network has ever successfully transitioned to being permissionless. Hyperliquid is trying, but they have a long way to go, and are a special use case because it's mostly an app-chain, one whose primary margin asset still remains "elsewhere", something that might be OK for perps but not for payments.
Tempo will have an even harder time transitioning, because per the announcement, there is heavy involvement from various payments incumbents, most of all Stripe.
To believe that the network can transition to permissionless is to believe that corporations that accrued hundreds of billions of dollars in value over recent decades by owning a network will now launch a new network that they own (cause it's permissioned) but then magically decide to give all the power and profits that come with it away, quite possibly to competitors that will try to destroy their incumbent businesses.
That is highly unlikely. As @ccatalini pointed out yesterday, even Libra's original plans to someday decentralize nwere pushed to the back burner rather quickly. And Facebook did not have an incumbent payment business to protect. Stripe, Visa, Nubank, etc etc all do.
Y'all really think they'll give it away?
This has never happened before in the history of shared corporate infrastructure - which is what Tempo will be on day one.
Every other shared corporate infra (Visa, Mastercard, CME, NASDAQ, SWIFT, The Clearing House, etc etc) has gone in the opposite direction - it has centralized power and become more permissioned and censorable over time.
This is literally why Satoshi invented Bitcoin.
And I say this not as an ideological opposition to Tempo, but as an observation of what will be debated in the conference rooms of every potential issuer, user, etc etc.
Y'all really think Mastercard will jump all over a permissioned network controlled by Stripe and Visa?
Or Amazon or Walmart - fresh off their endless lawsuits against Visa and Mastercard for being oligopolies?
Lastly, It's hard enough to bootstrap a PoS chain from scratch because of the "rich get richer" problem of staking. Ethereum is still the only PoS chain that's achieved a diverse token-holder set that can deem it "a neutral L1." It got there by :
a)having a tiny premine by modern standards and b)being PoW for years.
Tempo will start with a massively concentrated token holder set and permissioned validator set. To argue it'll easily become neutral is to make a whole bunch of assumptions that are contrary to the ideals and lived experience of this industry.
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